OpenSprinkler Forums Comments, Suggestions, Requests no more free Wunderground API key?

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  • #51231

    franzstein
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    My workaround using the Meteoware Plus service to send my Netatmo weather data to Weather Underground is working with interruptions. However, my free WU API key is working as I can connect my OpenSprinkler system as well to a nearby non-Netatmo WU PWS. I hope that this will be possible at least for the remaining garden season.

    Operating the OpenSprinkler with the Zimmerman method works best, if yesterdays mean temperature, total precipitation and mean humidity are available and can be used as a stable input. In my opinion it makes no sense to e.g. use the current temperature as input for the Zimmerman calculation. It is also a problem if any forecasted precipitation for today is added. There are very often rainfalls forecasted, which will never take place during the ongoing day.

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by  franzstein. Reason: Deleted workflow request. I found all required information in the githup repository!
    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by  franzstein.
    #51233

    ncunningham
    Participant

    Are there plans to switch to the OpenWeatherMap.com API or have the option to choose it? I would like to see the weather data for the open sprinkler OSPI system I bought for my mother. I realize this is not possible right now because we are essentially all using your API key.

    Thanks in advance,

    Norm

    #51237

    franzstein
    Participant

    The Meteoware Plus workaround I’m using is still working with interruptions. My Netatmo PWS is not always visible at the Weather Underground Map and the WU Current Conditions are often not periodically updated in time. I don’t know why. Maybe only a temporary malfunction at the WU side? However, the historical data is always valid and I can use it for my OpenSprinkler watering system.

    By the way. It started raining later this morning and the OpenSprinkler water level changed to 0 for one hour, back to 115% thereafter and again to 0 for about 3 hours thereafter. Unfortunately, this happened after my watering program runs early morning. I have no rain sensor installed. Is this behaviour described somewhere? I know that details can be found in the github repository. It seems to be an additonal feature to stop the watering, if it starts raining?

    Thanks and regards

    Franz

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by  franzstein. Reason: Deleted algorithm details request. I found all required information in the github repository!
    #51274

    Samer
    Keymaster

    @pat I am looking into DarkSky now and the API seems very easy to use and the data seems very rich. The perfect alternative it looks like as OpenWeatherMaps is missing historical data in the normal API and requires seperate billing and API call for historical data. There website clearly says do not direct customers to generate their own keys, each company should use one key.

    Their pricing seems very reasonable so I think I will discuss this with Ray and hopefully get this solution setup. This will stabilize the scale values currently being seen with OpenWeatherMaps as the source.

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by  Samer. Reason: Found pricing info
    #51276

    Jemba
    Participant

    @samer great thanks a lot for the update 🙂

    #51282

    Pat
    Participant

    @samer I hope it works out. As mentioned I moved all my FOSS stuff to Dark Sky and it was quick and (mostly) painless. And with 1,000 free calls a day, that’s *almost* 1 call a minute (ok maybe 1 call every 2 minutes). Plenty of wiggle room though depending on how often it’s used per user/station

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by  Pat.
    #51374

    HIL Tennis
    Participant

    Opensprinkler PI noob here. Does this mean that without a working weather integration I will have to manually set a rain delay if there is rain? Also thinking about purchasing https://www.amazon.com/Orbit-57069-Sprinkler-System-Freeze/dp/B000A7SPPU linked in the user manual to make sure there is no irrigation when it rains.

    #51376

    ottorino
    Participant

    As far as I can understand the weather integration regulate only the amount of water. In my system, even before the zimmerman algorithm came into play, I’ve always had the orbit device you are planning to buy. I suppose that the orbit device is the only one capable to trigger the irrigation on and off. When on, the zimmerman algorithm calculate the amount of water.
    Hope this helps

    #51388

    HIL Tennis
    Participant

    @ottorino it does. Thank’s for taking the time to answer my questions!

    #51571

    tekhedd
    Participant

    Clearly the current OWM-based code is using the current temperature and humidity (and rain level? uncertain) when calculating the watering level. This caused me some confusion, and is of course suboptimal. However, at least once I know what is happening, it is possible to, for example, turn off temperature-based adjustment, cut the humidity adjustment down, or just turn it off entirely and buy a rain sensor. 🙂

    1) I would suggest adding information about this behavior to the documentation until a fix is released?

    Obvious solutions include using a different API or provider, or letting the system average temperatures over the course of a day (fails if system power is lost but quite doable and also makes support of weather stations that do not report averages possible). Etc.

    2) Is there a ticket number for this issue, and any sort of semi-official plan? I guess it’s time to clone again. :{ [edit] I see from the discussion that there is a plan to support paid OWM, which is fine. Is there a ticket number and a timeline?

    If there’s one thing in life I don’t need, it’s yet another project, but I *do* want forecast-based watering adjustments, so there you go.

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by  tekhedd.
    #51599

    franzstein
    Participant

    Thanks to the team from MeteoWare, their MeteoWare Plus service is working without producing interruptions of the Wunderground Current Conditions anymore. With my existing free WU Key I can use my own Netatmo PWS as input source for the OpenSprinkler watering adjustments. This allows for perfect local temperature, humidity and precipitation measurements.

    I hope that WUnderground is not cancelling the API service for existing free API key owners in the near future?

    What I can say is, that the Zimmerman method with its adjustments for OpenSprinkler is quite efficient in regards to calculating the watering times needed for a sprinkler system. It incorporates historical weather data from the day before and actual precipitation data for today. This results in predictable watering times for the ongoing day. If an acceptable access to local weather data can be provided, there is also no really need for the installation of an additional rain sensor. The water level is automatically set to 0% if it is raining.

    I like to mention that any alternative to WUnderground should take care for using the Zimmerman method with OpenSprinkler in the way it is implemented right now – preferably with the same functionality.

    Thanks and regards

    Franz

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by  franzstein. Reason: Remark: no need for an additional rain sensor added
    #52500

    wifi75
    Participant

    @ottorino I’m italian can you send me your email i need to write you to ask something..

    thank you

    #52502

    ottorino
    Participant

    Hi there. It seems that I cannot send private messages to you, therefore I do not know how to send you my e-mail address

    #52503

    wifi75
    Participant

    @ottorino
    nessun problema, volevo.solo chiederti alcune info su opensprinkler.
    grazie noi stesso

    #52505

    ottorino
    Participant

    Please note that my previous answer was neither a no or a polite negative answer. We can possibly try to exchange our mail addresses in some other way. I’m currently writing from my mobile and it’s not comfortable. As soon as I will lay my hands on a true keyboard I will try to arrange something

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