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Yes, the comment count is my fault. We had some 2.0.8 and GUI relevant discussion, but much was beyond the basic issues.

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So, it is supposed to work without index.htm? It didn’t.

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Seems to run off SD card. . .had to put in IPaddressindex.htm or it never would have loaded. . .

Were the contents supposed to go into the root of the SD or stay in the UI-SD folder? At this point, I put them in both places.

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Ok. Didn’t see that the first time I pulled it up.

Is there a way to pull up internet link and fall back to locally hosted SD content?

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@salbahra wrote:

@TechFan wrote:

I’ll look into how I can put them on SD. My internet was really slow and up and down last night.

Not to ruin your plans but there are limitations. The new UI introduced in 2.0.8 cannot run off the SD card due to network issues. The controller has a hard time serving 10-12 simultaneously requested files (css, js, images, etc). As a result, you will have to use the older UI and 2.0.8 will be the last firmware capable of supporting it.

I am confused at what was intended by this earlier remark? It seems like you are saying the UI can only be hosted on SD through 2.0.8?

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Thank you! So hosting these files off the OS SD card is the part not supported after 2.0.8?

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Btw, yes, ilo would like to know how to host the files on my own network. Thanks!

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Thanks for the clarification. I will have to check into all those options after the weekends trip.

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Glad to hear there are others. Apparently, 2.0.8 supports putting the content on SD, but not planned for the next versions.

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Thanks. I definitely see how it is storage bound. It looks like using the SD might be an option.

If I had understood more about the limitations, I may have chosen differently, but I also wanted a device that could be controlled directly from the device, so it could be used without a network if needed. Thanks again for taking the time to respond.

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I do use the app on my phone and iPad. It seems strange to me that a device inside my networks should need something outside my network to function in the most direct method (browser straight to device). I was considering starting my wife on the web interface, but it sounds like the app might be a better approach at this point.

I agree that giving users the option to not upgrade would be more complicated, especially when files are accessed outside the OS. If they were kept local, it would be simpler to offer the choice.

The idea that accessing the internal web server of the OS is like accessing an outside website controlled by another entity that changes without your knowledge doesn’t seem like the right comparison. Like I said, I may be unique in my attitude that my internal network tools/toys shouldn’t need assistance from the outside.

Thanks again for the open dialog.

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Thanks for the kind explanation. As an college grad CIS major and IT admin of over 15 years, I do not believe I have a misunderstanding of HTML.

The way you are describing it, I would be unable to access and configure my OS if the pointer to the java scripts were not accessible. Yes, OS would still run, but couldn’t be configured/managed. Most websites I have coded and managed have had the JavaScript and CSS, etc, local on the same web server, not somewhere else on the web. Which, in this case, since everything would be on my local LAN, an internet connection would be unneeded.

Glad to know the apps have the JavaScript built in and thus don’t need the internet connection.

Please continue to consider offering a web interface that can at least still function without outside connections. I like the new GUI much better than the old, but one of the reasons for choosing OS was because it could function completely independent of other outside network connections. Continuing to be able to host the needed files off the SD card would at least make a good backup method.

Also, consider, treating OS as a local device, allowing individuals to decide when/if they want to upgrade.

Thanks for providing this tech toy for controlling my sprinkler system. It surely makes it more fun! I am happy to help, I just need to find the time to study the code.

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@salbahra wrote:

Not to ruin your plans but there are limitations. The new UI introduced in 2.0.8 cannot run off the SD card due to network issues. The controller has a hard time serving 10-12 simultaneously requested files (css, js, images, etc). As a result, you will have to use the older UI and 2.0.8 will be the last firmware capable of supporting it.

So, 2.0.8 is the last version to allow storing the files on the SD??

@salbahra wrote:

With this said, I understand the recent firmware introduced bugs but ideally this won’t happen again. This firmware had several moving parts but going forward things will be a lot smoother.

The bugs I can work around, and help report, but when I buy a device to use for my own use at home, I want it to be able to operate by itself independently on my network, not be reliant on _anything_ outside my network to work. If my internet goes down (I live where only wireless internet service is available), I still need to be able to control my sprinkler system.

@salbahra wrote:

@TechFan wrote:

I may be one of few, but I still want to control what happens on my devices locally.

The thing is, you never lose control. The UI is like an app on the App Store. It is subject to change. Just like Facebook and every major website/app. The UI/UX adapts to usage patterns and improves over time. I don’t see how this improvement can be a bad thing. Now, if you want to argue from a poor connection perspective I understand and offer the “older” UI for now.

I hear you about the app comparison, but in my perspective, this is not the same thing. . .in this case, I am trying to control a device that is local on my own network. With apps, I never update them without reading the release notes and I definitely don’t have auto-update enabled. Frequent updates are nice, but I should get to choose when these updates take place for my local system and should be able to operate completely independent from an “internet service.” Also, I don’t want my devices reaching out to the internet without my direction to do so. Definitely less than ideal since I really feel OS should be able to operate on its own, but I guess an alternative would be to host the needed files on my own internal web server.

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Thanks for the explanation. I’ll look into how I can put them on SD. My internet was really slow and up and down last night.

I hear you but I still want to be able to choose when changes are applied and have the opportunity to read about the fixes and enhancements. It would be great to be able to update SD from prompt in interface. I may be one of few, but I still want to control what happens on my devices locally.

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Thanks for tracking down so quickly! So the GUI is auto updating or is hosted on the internet? I don’t like the idea that I can’t use my device if something outside my network is not accessible. In general, I don’t want my tools updating with my direct approval.

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I was thinking that this bug only affected the config restore, but it is really any space settings. I found that the first station name that has a space prevents any other later station names to be saved.

Btw salbahra, edit programs doesn’t display disabled programs in red until one of the programs gets saved.

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I had used the browser with GUI 1.1.8 to try to add the names back in. Garden 1, etc. none of these names saved.

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I thought with 2.0.8 and 1.1.8 we could save settings? It appears I can’t get my station names to save when trying to re set them up manually.

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So is this a glitch in 1.1.7 on ios as well? Btw, since firmware update to 2.0.8, my station names don’t restore. The first station restored as Garden instead of “Garden 1” and all they following names didn’t restore. Seems it isn’t handling space in the name anymore? Once I downgraded to 2.0.7 last night, I could restore, but back to 2.0.8 today and again can’t restore.

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Sounds exciting! 🙂 I most look forward to being able disable sequential for just a program, rather than for the entire system. I haven’t tried looking at the code yet because getting up to speed with any new project is the hardest part. I haven’t done anything with Ardino (sp?) so I am not aware of the learning curve. I have done lots of simple coding as a sys admin, but not much serious coding. If either of you have a few moments to give the the overview, I might be able to help.

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K. Restored from app but they didn’t restore properly.

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K. Strange. Tried upgrading to 2.0.8 last night but had issues with my config not restoring properly. Back to 2.0.7 for today. See all the comments on that string.

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K. Hm. So fixed accidentally in 2.0.8?

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You mean all station at once for an identical time? If so you just need to deactivate the sequential check box in the device options.

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Sounds great. Let me know how I can assist.

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